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		<title>By: J'adoube</title>
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		<dc:creator>J'adoube</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 23:03:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frankly, if well endowed women chess players simply wore some really low-cut shirts, I bet they would start winning games easily.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frankly, if well endowed women chess players simply wore some really low-cut shirts, I bet they would start winning games easily.</p>
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		<title>By: Daaim Shabazz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daaim Shabazz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 03:25:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is another article that gives a lot more detail than the one featured here and describes the methodology. It still falls short in that they do not explain the reason for the disparity... they only discuss that it is NOT biological and the skill level is comparable if one examines performance ratings. This is still a flawed model because they are basically comparing expected outcome vs. actual outcome. We already know that women are capable of playing good chess. The question is why do we have such low numbers of women who break the upper echelons. 

In the history of chess, hundreds of thousands of women have played the game. Only one has reached the top level. Why is this the case? Some where along the way, they seem to lose the energy for the game. Is it the prospect of child-bearing? Perhaps. Is it the predominately-male environment? Perhaps. I believe men are simply more enamored with chess for longer periods of time. At some point, women simply find other things to do with their time.

&lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Source: &lt;/strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.physorg.com/news150954140.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.physorg.com/news150954140.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is another article that gives a lot more detail than the one featured here and describes the methodology. It still falls short in that they do not explain the reason for the disparity&#8230; they only discuss that it is NOT biological and the skill level is comparable if one examines performance ratings. This is still a flawed model because they are basically comparing expected outcome vs. actual outcome. We already know that women are capable of playing good chess. The question is why do we have such low numbers of women who break the upper echelons. </p>
<p>In the history of chess, hundreds of thousands of women have played the game. Only one has reached the top level. Why is this the case? Some where along the way, they seem to lose the energy for the game. Is it the prospect of child-bearing? Perhaps. Is it the predominately-male environment? Perhaps. I believe men are simply more enamored with chess for longer periods of time. At some point, women simply find other things to do with their time.</p>
<p><em><strong>Source: </strong><a href="http://www.physorg.com/news150954140.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.physorg.com/news150954140.html</a></em></p>
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		<title>By: Daaim Shabazz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daaim Shabazz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jan 2009 23:04:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree Sophia. Whoever trains the hardest and has the best focus has a chance to become a strong player. How many years would a woman spend on chess as a serious activity? There is a huge drop-off after high school for females. For whatever reason, chess becomes less of a priority for females. Males tend to hang onto games (of all kinds) for a long time. Maybe we will see a different trend in the future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree Sophia. Whoever trains the hardest and has the best focus has a chance to become a strong player. How many years would a woman spend on chess as a serious activity? There is a huge drop-off after high school for females. For whatever reason, chess becomes less of a priority for females. Males tend to hang onto games (of all kinds) for a long time. Maybe we will see a different trend in the future.</p>
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		<title>By: sophia lynn</title>
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		<dc:creator>sophia lynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jan 2009 22:27:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>who want it more ?  
I train hard for this event after 4 visit to western new york 3 straight loses  until my friend  Big Will  in baltimore  train me :  
Only female to win under 1600 section :   buffalochess.blogspot.com/2008/05/klcc-h-mc-carthy-gipson-grand-prix.html 
the truth strength of  any real  strong  chess player 
 is not the genere of the person  but it who wants to put in the hard work ,training  and commitment to chess.   i dont play or like baskeball yet im African American female at  5&#039;10 150lb 
 i dont like or wear  tiara’s (I think that a Paris Hilton trend)
I have my own  unique style  
All women are true queens we dont need a crown ! 
 I play chess for the passion and  other personal reasons   regardless  of who sits in front of me ( your child, husbands ,etc.)at the tournaments, parks  or coffee shops I just want to play to win .  yes women do have ego too !!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>who want it more ?<br />
I train hard for this event after 4 visit to western new york 3 straight loses  until my friend  Big Will  in baltimore  train me :<br />
Only female to win under 1600 section :   buffalochess.blogspot.com/2008/05/klcc-h-mc-carthy-gipson-grand-prix.html<br />
the truth strength of  any real  strong  chess player<br />
 is not the genere of the person  but it who wants to put in the hard work ,training  and commitment to chess.   i dont play or like baskeball yet im African American female at  5&#8217;10 150lb<br />
 i dont like or wear  tiara’s (I think that a Paris Hilton trend)<br />
I have my own  unique style<br />
All women are true queens we dont need a crown !<br />
 I play chess for the passion and  other personal reasons   regardless  of who sits in front of me ( your child, husbands ,etc.)at the tournaments, parks  or coffee shops I just want to play to win .  yes women do have ego too !!!</p>
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		<title>By: Daaim Shabazz</title>
		<link>http://www.thechessdrum.net/blog/2008/12/29/men-superiority-in-chess-explained/comment-page-1/#comment-12234</link>
		<dc:creator>Daaim Shabazz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 03:41:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Blue Devil Knight,

Well said! Here is a scene from the movie &quot;Predator.&quot; Take a survey of how many men get a charge from this scene (versus women) and that may provide some data. :-)

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Blue Devil Knight,</p>
<p>Well said! Here is a scene from the movie &#8220;Predator.&#8221; Take a survey of how many men get a charge from this scene (versus women) and that may provide some data. <img src='http://www.thechessdrum.net/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Blue Devil Knight</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blue Devil Knight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 15:31:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting article and discussion.

Clearly multiple factors are important. 
The selection effect discussed in the article--fewer women get into chess in the first place so of course there will be fewer GMs just via probability arguments.

Why do fewer women get into chess? The structure of tournaments appeals to boys who want to be at war with one another. Two, the very structure of the game is bellicose. Come on it&#039;s a battle between two midevil armies for goodness&#039; sake: how many little girls like that? 

With the advent of Polgar&#039;s girl-centric tournaments and web sites I think we are headed in the right direction. And as more girls and women participate in tournaments, the more those that come once just &quot;to check it out&quot; will be likely to stay for another as they won&#039;t feel like an outsider, as likely happens now.

I wouldn&#039;t be surprised if there were some genetic push either: girls tend to value collaboration and cooperation while boys tend to enjoy battles and competition.  There isn&#039;t enough data to say this with authority, but it wouldn&#039;t be surprising given the hormonal differences. So if we want girls, have tournaments that stress collaboration and cooperation more. I&#039;m not sure how this could be done (teams perhaps?), but those of you into scholastic chess probably have good ideas.

Incidentally, a great site that for some reason has been under my radar. I&#039;m linking on my sidebar now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting article and discussion.</p>
<p>Clearly multiple factors are important.<br />
The selection effect discussed in the article&#8211;fewer women get into chess in the first place so of course there will be fewer GMs just via probability arguments.</p>
<p>Why do fewer women get into chess? The structure of tournaments appeals to boys who want to be at war with one another. Two, the very structure of the game is bellicose. Come on it&#8217;s a battle between two midevil armies for goodness&#8217; sake: how many little girls like that? </p>
<p>With the advent of Polgar&#8217;s girl-centric tournaments and web sites I think we are headed in the right direction. And as more girls and women participate in tournaments, the more those that come once just &#8220;to check it out&#8221; will be likely to stay for another as they won&#8217;t feel like an outsider, as likely happens now.</p>
<p>I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised if there were some genetic push either: girls tend to value collaboration and cooperation while boys tend to enjoy battles and competition.  There isn&#8217;t enough data to say this with authority, but it wouldn&#8217;t be surprising given the hormonal differences. So if we want girls, have tournaments that stress collaboration and cooperation more. I&#8217;m not sure how this could be done (teams perhaps?), but those of you into scholastic chess probably have good ideas.</p>
<p>Incidentally, a great site that for some reason has been under my radar. I&#8217;m linking on my sidebar now.</p>
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		<title>By: RJT</title>
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		<dc:creator>RJT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jan 2009 20:37:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok, I understand your point. I believe it comes down to focus, training and commitment. The social and cultural presentation keeps large numbers of women away from chess, so very few of the potentially strong ones ever develop their talent.

Focus is why Armenia (pop 3M) has several of the world&#039;s elite GM&#039;s, even though they are a small country. Focus is why the Lithuainian (pop 3M) men&#039;s Olympic basketball team won 3 straight bronze medals since 1992, and hasn&#039;t finished lower than 4th. 

And focus is definitely why of the 30 top money leaders on the ladies Professional Golf Tour, 11 are from South Korea. And 3 of the others are of Korean heritage. What&#039;s the explanation? Playing golf is the in thing to do for girls in Korea .. they all play, and aspire to excel, resulting in the discovery and development of the best.

Just like the harvesting of urban black male basketball players in the US .. it&#039;s the sport of choice, everyone plays, resulting in the truly talented being discovered and developed (or exploited depending upon your perspective  :)  )  If it was just because they were black, then Nigeria and Brazil would dominate world basketball by a considerable margin. But as we know, all of their youngsters play soccer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, I understand your point. I believe it comes down to focus, training and commitment. The social and cultural presentation keeps large numbers of women away from chess, so very few of the potentially strong ones ever develop their talent.</p>
<p>Focus is why Armenia (pop 3M) has several of the world&#8217;s elite GM&#8217;s, even though they are a small country. Focus is why the Lithuainian (pop 3M) men&#8217;s Olympic basketball team won 3 straight bronze medals since 1992, and hasn&#8217;t finished lower than 4th. </p>
<p>And focus is definitely why of the 30 top money leaders on the ladies Professional Golf Tour, 11 are from South Korea. And 3 of the others are of Korean heritage. What&#8217;s the explanation? Playing golf is the in thing to do for girls in Korea .. they all play, and aspire to excel, resulting in the discovery and development of the best.</p>
<p>Just like the harvesting of urban black male basketball players in the US .. it&#8217;s the sport of choice, everyone plays, resulting in the truly talented being discovered and developed (or exploited depending upon your perspective  <img src='http://www.thechessdrum.net/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />   )  If it was just because they were black, then Nigeria and Brazil would dominate world basketball by a considerable margin. But as we know, all of their youngsters play soccer.</p>
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		<title>By: Daaim Shabazz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daaim Shabazz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 02:19:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Damani,

I don&#039;t believe women look at chess as war either and that is  point I&#039;m making. It is not at that level of seriousness for them. Most females that I know view chess as a game you play, win/lose, have fun with it and then put it away at some point and do something else. Men seem to have much more of a determination at proving something in chess and it continues throughout life given our obsession with sports/combat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Damani,</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t believe women look at chess as war either and that is  point I&#8217;m making. It is not at that level of seriousness for them. Most females that I know view chess as a game you play, win/lose, have fun with it and then put it away at some point and do something else. Men seem to have much more of a determination at proving something in chess and it continues throughout life given our obsession with sports/combat.</p>
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		<title>By: Damani</title>
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		<dc:creator>Damani</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 01:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it is an interesting question to ponder if only to get at the root of the disparity between male and female players. The argument has merit on both sides, and in each there is some truth. But more importantly the focus must be to understand how women approach the game of chess. I do not believe that women players look at chess as war necessarily. There are other aspects of chess that make it relevant to human beings. It can allow the approach of the artist without defying long held proofs. It may be the case that the fairer sex plays upon the dynamic interaction of the laws of physics in the animation of the pieces. Women have egos too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it is an interesting question to ponder if only to get at the root of the disparity between male and female players. The argument has merit on both sides, and in each there is some truth. But more importantly the focus must be to understand how women approach the game of chess. I do not believe that women players look at chess as war necessarily. There are other aspects of chess that make it relevant to human beings. It can allow the approach of the artist without defying long held proofs. It may be the case that the fairer sex plays upon the dynamic interaction of the laws of physics in the animation of the pieces. Women have egos too.</p>
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		<title>By: Daaim Shabazz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daaim Shabazz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 01:07:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes... the factors I&#039;m giving are causal, but the article never discusses causality. The argument is why men are superior in chess to women. Looking at sheer numbers does not explain this because there are too many instances where that theory does not hold. For example, why does Armenia have a superior Olympiad team than many others? Is it due to fact they have more players than others? Of course not. They are one of smallest federations in the top 50 with 65 titled players... a little more than half of what Mexico has and one-third of Argentina. The question is WHY Armenia is so strong. It&#039;s not due to numbers.

Their analysis fails to get at the reason of why men are superior in chess. Looking at numbers tells you nothing about why women don&#039;t excel as much. As I stated, numbers did not prevent the Polgars from excelling, two of which (at a young age) were playing at Grandmaster level. I believe it has to do more with psychological differences between the genders. Perhaps these types of activities do not interest women as much... as a whole.

There are many casual factors involved. I would love to take a look at their research model to see why they used the conceptual framework they did.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes&#8230; the factors I&#8217;m giving are causal, but the article never discusses causality. The argument is why men are superior in chess to women. Looking at sheer numbers does not explain this because there are too many instances where that theory does not hold. For example, why does Armenia have a superior Olympiad team than many others? Is it due to fact they have more players than others? Of course not. They are one of smallest federations in the top 50 with 65 titled players&#8230; a little more than half of what Mexico has and one-third of Argentina. The question is WHY Armenia is so strong. It&#8217;s not due to numbers.</p>
<p>Their analysis fails to get at the reason of why men are superior in chess. Looking at numbers tells you nothing about why women don&#8217;t excel as much. As I stated, numbers did not prevent the Polgars from excelling, two of which (at a young age) were playing at Grandmaster level. I believe it has to do more with psychological differences between the genders. Perhaps these types of activities do not interest women as much&#8230; as a whole.</p>
<p>There are many casual factors involved. I would love to take a look at their research model to see why they used the conceptual framework they did.</p>
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