Comments on: The Socio-Politics of the First Move in Chess http://www.thechessdrum.net/blog/2008/01/24/the-socio-politics-of-the-first-move-in-chess/ Thu, 09 Feb 2012 23:00:03 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3 By: Lionel Davis http://www.thechessdrum.net/blog/2008/01/24/the-socio-politics-of-the-first-move-in-chess/comment-page-1/#comment-12938 Lionel Davis Fri, 22 May 2009 20:38:43 +0000 http://www.thechessdrum.net/blog/?p=140#comment-12938 Quite right brother Shabazz Ultramodern Chess is here to wipe out the traditional players or thoses whom they term "elite",however first we had to point out their flawed ideas about being "black" so we just crushed them on the ICC with the Ultrapirc, then when they began adopting this method we hit them with 1e5 to expose their biased opinions then they started changing their books and pictures and give some black to play and mate problems. So the change President Obama spoke of is in fact here. I must admit i kinda love that NBA CHESS video, i cant wait to get a hold of theses guys over the board, then the children will come behind and finish them off! Brothers if you go over theses so called "elite chessplayers' games you will see the respect for the ne6 idea and Vishy hit them with a nd3 idea and they think its new but i pointed out this idea to Fischer on the ICC back in 99'. basically brothers we have to go through the process and it takes a lilttle time before 100s of years of bias in chess gets exposed. Personal competitve chess success is not really important for Ultramoden Science however im certain to win many of their events simply because of they have many bad ideas about chess,as a matter of fact Vishy just breakin away from some of this stuff and playin his own game for the first time! Vishy how u like my Ghandi idea " Even if you are a minority of one... hehe Peace. Quite right brother Shabazz Ultramodern Chess is here to wipe out the traditional players or thoses whom they term “elite”,however first we had to point out their flawed ideas about being “black” so we just crushed them on the ICC with the Ultrapirc, then when they began adopting this method we hit them with 1e5 to expose their biased opinions then they started changing their books and pictures and give some black to play and mate problems. So the change President Obama spoke of is in fact here. I must admit i kinda love that NBA CHESS video, i cant wait to get a hold of theses guys over the board, then the children will come behind and finish them off! Brothers if you go over theses so called “elite chessplayers’ games you will see the respect for the ne6 idea and Vishy hit them with a nd3 idea and they think its new but i pointed out this idea to Fischer on the ICC back in 99′. basically brothers we have to go through the process and it takes a lilttle time before 100s of years of bias in chess gets exposed. Personal competitve chess success is not really important for Ultramoden Science however im certain to win many of their events simply because of they have many bad ideas about chess,as a matter of fact Vishy just breakin away from some of this stuff and playin his own game for the first time! Vishy how u like my Ghandi idea ” Even if you are a minority of one… hehe Peace.

]]> By: Daaim Shabazz http://www.thechessdrum.net/blog/2008/01/24/the-socio-politics-of-the-first-move-in-chess/comment-page-1/#comment-12926 Daaim Shabazz Wed, 20 May 2009 18:46:30 +0000 http://www.thechessdrum.net/blog/?p=140#comment-12926 The only way for Blacks to receive equal treatment is to play with honor and achieve results at the highest levels on a consistent basis... not just one or two players. Other than that, we may as well stop talking about these things and produce results! The only way for Blacks to receive equal treatment is to play with honor and achieve results at the highest levels on a consistent basis… not just one or two players. Other than that, we may as well stop talking about these things and produce results!

]]> By: Lionel Davis http://www.thechessdrum.net/blog/2008/01/24/the-socio-politics-of-the-first-move-in-chess/comment-page-1/#comment-12925 Lionel Davis Wed, 20 May 2009 17:44:11 +0000 http://www.thechessdrum.net/blog/?p=140#comment-12925 Traditionally chessplayers of African descent have yet to get the proper respect from the chess world at large and this most recent ruling against Mr. Lawton has only served to magnify the obvious,also Mr. Phillips well thought out blogs has the splendid taste of fresh fruit. The combination of theses two occurances has motivated the ULTRAMODERNIST to begin a peaceful protest by no longer writing down their ratings or their titles on the scoresheet i.e. NM-FM-IM-GM until we are receive equal treatment at their chess events and i would like to encourage all those who agree to do the same i am hopeful to see you in Philly for further discussions and actions on the subject. At present we are dealing with characters like henrik danielsen who want to adopt Ultramodern concepts and take them over to europe and pretend its theirs if you go to youtube and type "the naughty bishop" you will see the knight star demonstration ive been teaching for years to give players a visual on the power of a centralized knight , we got a lot more though so stay tuned. Peace. Traditionally chessplayers of African descent have yet to get the proper respect from the chess world at large and this most recent ruling against Mr. Lawton has only served to magnify the obvious,also Mr. Phillips well thought out blogs has the splendid taste of fresh fruit. The combination of theses two occurances has motivated the ULTRAMODERNIST to begin a peaceful protest by no longer writing down their ratings or their titles on the scoresheet i.e. NM-FM-IM-GM until we are receive equal treatment at their chess events and i would like to encourage all those who agree to do the same i am hopeful to see you in Philly for further discussions and actions on the subject. At present we are dealing with characters like henrik danielsen who want to adopt Ultramodern concepts and take them over to europe and pretend its theirs if you go to youtube and type “the naughty bishop” you will see the knight star demonstration ive been teaching for years to give players a visual on the power of a centralized knight , we got a lot more though so stay tuned. Peace.

]]> By: Lionel Davis http://www.thechessdrum.net/blog/2008/01/24/the-socio-politics-of-the-first-move-in-chess/comment-page-1/#comment-12856 Lionel Davis Fri, 15 May 2009 17:02:09 +0000 http://www.thechessdrum.net/blog/?p=140#comment-12856 When i was white on the Icc as the ULTRAMODERNIST i would play their gms with 1.e3 after e5 2 e4!? thereby forcing them to be "white " this idea is called the Tempo Gambit ,basically you play black in every game to force them to prove their "advantage of the first move theory",apparently they were impressed to a degreee i suppose even naka began experimenting with this concept if i recall go to may 09' chess life page 9 and you will see someone pretending to be Ultramodern. hehe Just for you information. Peace. When i was white on the Icc as the ULTRAMODERNIST i would play their gms with 1.e3 after e5 2 e4!? thereby forcing them to be “white ” this idea is called the Tempo Gambit ,basically you play black in every game to force them to prove their “advantage of the first move theory”,apparently they were impressed to a degreee i suppose even naka began experimenting with this concept if i recall go to may 09′ chess life page 9 and you will see someone pretending to be Ultramodern. hehe Just for you information. Peace.

]]> By: Lionel Davis http://www.thechessdrum.net/blog/2008/01/24/the-socio-politics-of-the-first-move-in-chess/comment-page-1/#comment-12785 Lionel Davis Sat, 09 May 2009 18:57:29 +0000 http://www.thechessdrum.net/blog/?p=140#comment-12785 Well Mr. Penrose apparently Steinitz created this "white idea" about moving first and Ultramodern Knowledge clearly challenges his concept also Fischer said "1e4 best by test " so 1e5 is a sort of "eternal test" so its not clear why you believe this to be a weird discussion, chess has to evolve in order to survive just like everything else. Yes its seems the computers are a bit better with gret calculating ability so perhaps we as people who happen to be chessplayers, each his own unique creation ,will find it necessary to rely on a mathematical truth like stars in the universe. Yes brother Shabazz the top competitors in the world have already begun to adjust their game to this "ULtramodern Truth",actually its been there all the time sometimes bias blinds us, once again i must say we are truly grateful for this site The Chess Drum- Where Amazing Happens! Peace. Well Mr. Penrose apparently Steinitz created this “white idea” about moving first and Ultramodern Knowledge clearly challenges his concept also Fischer said “1e4 best by test ” so 1e5 is a sort of “eternal test” so its not clear why you believe this to be a weird discussion, chess has to evolve in order to survive just like everything else. Yes its seems the computers are a bit better with gret calculating ability so perhaps we as people who happen to be chessplayers, each his own unique creation ,will find it necessary to rely on a mathematical truth like stars in the universe. Yes brother Shabazz the top competitors in the world have already begun to adjust their game to this “ULtramodern Truth”,actually its been there all the time sometimes bias blinds us, once again i must say we are truly grateful for this site The Chess Drum- Where Amazing Happens! Peace.

]]> By: Daaim Shabazz http://www.thechessdrum.net/blog/2008/01/24/the-socio-politics-of-the-first-move-in-chess/comment-page-1/#comment-12713 Daaim Shabazz Wed, 29 Apr 2009 22:35:04 +0000 http://www.thechessdrum.net/blog/?p=140#comment-12713 Wilfred, My point is that there is no edge, colors aside. I believe that once the sample of games played become large enough, we will see closer to a 50-50 score. As I said before, there are too many factors in chess to boil an advantage down to the first move. It doesn't matter who moves first, assuming of course that we are talking about equally strong players. If a 1900 ELO plays white against a 2300 ELO, then black has the advantage. If we are talking about equal strength, then it's equal. We play a game where opening resources for playing white are greater at this point in time, but black is gaining. Wilfred,

My point is that there is no edge, colors aside. I believe that once the sample of games played become large enough, we will see closer to a 50-50 score. As I said before, there are too many factors in chess to boil an advantage down to the first move.

It doesn’t matter who moves first, assuming of course that we are talking about equally strong players. If a 1900 ELO plays white against a 2300 ELO, then black has the advantage. If we are talking about equal strength, then it’s equal. We play a game where opening resources for playing white are greater at this point in time, but black is gaining.

]]> By: RJT http://www.thechessdrum.net/blog/2008/01/24/the-socio-politics-of-the-first-move-in-chess/comment-page-1/#comment-12712 RJT Wed, 29 Apr 2009 22:34:34 +0000 http://www.thechessdrum.net/blog/?p=140#comment-12712 It's hard to believe, but the last time a human GM beat a top computer was in 1996 !! Kasparov vs. Deep Blue I. Of course Garry lost the rematch vs. DB II. Every match since then has either been drawn, or resulted in a decisive victory for the computer. It’s hard to believe, but the last time a human GM beat a top computer was in 1996 !! Kasparov vs. Deep Blue I. Of course Garry lost the rematch vs. DB II.

Every match since then has either been drawn, or resulted in a decisive victory for the computer.

]]> By: Wilfred Penrose http://www.thechessdrum.net/blog/2008/01/24/the-socio-politics-of-the-first-move-in-chess/comment-page-1/#comment-12711 Wilfred Penrose Wed, 29 Apr 2009 20:29:13 +0000 http://www.thechessdrum.net/blog/?p=140#comment-12711 This is a weird discussion. Surely if "black" moved first, then "black" would have a 5-6% edge? There is no color in chess, black and white are just used as markers for who has the move. If it was green and pink, with green to move first, then green would have the edge. This is a weird discussion. Surely if “black” moved first, then “black” would have a 5-6% edge? There is no color in chess, black and white are just used as markers for who has the move. If it was green and pink, with green to move first, then green would have the edge.

]]> By: Lionel Davis http://www.thechessdrum.net/blog/2008/01/24/the-socio-politics-of-the-first-move-in-chess/comment-page-1/#comment-12683 Lionel Davis Thu, 23 Apr 2009 18:50:06 +0000 http://www.thechessdrum.net/blog/?p=140#comment-12683 OOh , brother Shabazz are you saying when a middlegame is played against one of their Hypermodern bots and the complications increase its more likely than not that a human will error because of the difficulty of playing chess with the confusing nature of their ideas ? It seems when one is using the old concepts chess seems more like a crossword puzzle as opposed to using the new stuff which intreprets chess like a jigsaw puzzle , Is that what you mean? hehe!!! hey where you find grandmaster muhammad tell him i got a nice pair a track shoes!!!!!! haha OOh , brother Shabazz are you saying when a middlegame is played against one of their Hypermodern bots and the complications increase its more likely than not that a human will error because of the difficulty of playing chess with the confusing nature of their ideas ? It seems when one is using the old concepts chess seems more like a crossword puzzle as opposed to using the new stuff which intreprets chess like a jigsaw puzzle , Is that what you mean? hehe!!! hey where you find grandmaster muhammad tell him i got a nice pair a track shoes!!!!!! haha

]]> By: Daaim Shabazz http://www.thechessdrum.net/blog/2008/01/24/the-socio-politics-of-the-first-move-in-chess/comment-page-1/#comment-12680 Daaim Shabazz Tue, 21 Apr 2009 22:56:07 +0000 http://www.thechessdrum.net/blog/?p=140#comment-12680 RJT, I agree. Long gone are the days when you'd be able to trick computer into home-cooked lines with white. They recognize transpositions and understand positional sacrifices. Whenever I play Fritz, I enjoy playing black because I'm able to get good positions. The problem comes in the middlegame when the computer seems to find tactical resources. You're right, it will find the appropriate calculation more than not... and what beautiful moves it can find! Bring on Fischer-Random!! RJT,

I agree. Long gone are the days when you’d be able to trick computer into home-cooked lines with white. They recognize transpositions and understand positional sacrifices.

Whenever I play Fritz, I enjoy playing black because I’m able to get good positions. The problem comes in the middlegame when the computer seems to find tactical resources. You’re right, it will find the appropriate calculation more than not… and what beautiful moves it can find!

Bring on Fischer-Random!!

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